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	<title>Comments on: The iPad and SVG fonts in Mobile Safari</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Canvas</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Canvas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is WOFF not ruled out to limit malicious web content?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is WOFF not ruled out to limit malicious web content?</p>
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		<title>By: Vekta</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-1244</link>
		<dc:creator>Vekta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: I&#039;ve looked at your link and can see it&#039;s still not displaying on an iPhone. You&#039;re using a pretty complex way to display fonts and I&#039;ve noticed that the JavaScript file you’re using does not contain a link to the svg font, just the (woff&#124;ttf&#124;eot).

Here&#039;s what to do:
1) Remove the JavaScript link from your code
2) Use the font generator at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator&quot;&gt;Font Squirrel&lt;/a&gt;
3) Copy the @font-face code from the stylesheet.css you downloaded from Font Squirrel, and add to your css file.
3) Ensure that each font links to your actual location
4) Add &#039;src: url&#039; to each line if it&#039;s missing for each link to a font.
5) Change your css H1 to read: font:60px/62px &quot;Tiza&quot;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;

This should now work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: I&#8217;ve looked at your link and can see it&#8217;s still not displaying on an iPhone. You&#8217;re using a pretty complex way to display fonts and I&#8217;ve noticed that the JavaScript file you’re using does not contain a link to the svg font, just the (woff|ttf|eot).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what to do:<br />
1) Remove the JavaScript link from your code<br />
2) Use the font generator at <a href="http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator">Font Squirrel</a><br />
3) Copy the @font-face code from the stylesheet.css you downloaded from Font Squirrel, and add to your css file.<br />
3) Ensure that each font links to your actual location<br />
4) Add &#8216;src: url&#8217; to each line if it&#8217;s missing for each link to a font.<br />
5) Change your css H1 to read: font:60px/62px &#8220;Tiza&#8221;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;</p>
<p>This should now work!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be very grateful for some input here. On a full browser, we are displaying Tiza font OK (bought it as a web font from myfonts.com).

On an iPhone running 4.2.1 I am not seeing this font displayed. Is this something I can set using the info here?

Here is how it is supposed to display: http://quillcards.com/ecards/sample</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very grateful for some input here. On a full browser, we are displaying Tiza font OK (bought it as a web font from myfonts.com).</p>
<p>On an iPhone running 4.2.1 I am not seeing this font displayed. Is this something I can set using the info here?</p>
<p>Here is how it is supposed to display: <a href="http://quillcards.com/ecards/sample" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://quillcards.com/ecards/sample'>http://quillcards.com/ecards/sample</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my very quick testing, Safari under iOS 4.2 does indeed support TTF/OTF/SVG fonts.

http://imgf.tw/410667989.png

There seems to be an issue with font-weight though, didn&#039;t get much of a chance to investigate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my very quick testing, Safari under iOS 4.2 does indeed support TTF/OTF/SVG fonts.</p>
<p><a href="http://imgf.tw/410667989.png" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://imgf.tw/410667989.png'>http://imgf.tw/410667989.png</a></p>
<p>There seems to be an issue with font-weight though, didn&#8217;t get much of a chance to investigate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-891</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meta tags do not appear in the window but they exist in my source code (html, head, style, body, etc...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meta tags do not appear in the window but they exist in my source code (html, head, style, body, etc&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure. Just tested it on my iPad.
Works both on iPad&#039;s Safari and even using a UIWebView app.
Here is the code I used with the ttf font file in the same folder:



 
 @font-face {
	font-family: &quot;Existence&quot;;
	src: url(&quot;exlight.ttf&quot;);
 }
 body { background-image:url(&#039;background.jpg&#039;);
		font-family: &quot;Existence&quot;, Verdana, Sans-serif;
		color:yellow;
		font-size:30px;
 } 



Hello World with nice font

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure. Just tested it on my iPad.<br />
Works both on iPad&#8217;s Safari and even using a UIWebView app.<br />
Here is the code I used with the ttf font file in the same folder:</p>
<p> @font-face {<br />
	font-family: &#8220;Existence&#8221;;<br />
	src: url(&#8220;exlight.ttf&#8221;);<br />
 }<br />
 body { background-image:url(&#8216;background.jpg&#8217;);<br />
		font-family: &#8220;Existence&#8221;, Verdana, Sans-serif;<br />
		color:yellow;<br />
		font-size:30px;<br />
 } </p>
<p>Hello World with nice font</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Herrmann</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Herrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure? Do you have a test case? I haven&#039;t heard this before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure? Do you have a test case? I haven&#8217;t heard this before.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just realized the dates are listed for each post... duhhhh....
But anyways my comment still applies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized the dates are listed for each post&#8230; duhhhh&#8230;.<br />
But anyways my comment still applies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know when this post was written, but I can tell you that @font-face works with ttf files on iPad, iOS version 4.2.
Both on Safari and UIWebview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know when this post was written, but I can tell you that @font-face works with ttf files on iPad, iOS version 4.2.<br />
Both on Safari and UIWebview.</p>
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		<title>By: dshsdg</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-699</link>
		<dc:creator>dshsdg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No hinting, oh please, just make a list of fonts to fall back on. 
No big deal. 

No-subpixel rendering? Hmn, this has more to do with the implementations than with svgfonts itself. 

It&#039;s possible to do subpixel-rendering on svg elements. 
This means it can also do glyps in theory. 

http://www.antigrain.com/about/index.html 


It would be interesting to see the woff container with svg fonts in it. It can do the compression which could make svg fonts about the same size as the others. Possibly in favor of svg fonts for some things as a poster has discovered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No hinting, oh please, just make a list of fonts to fall back on.<br />
No big deal. </p>
<p>No-subpixel rendering? Hmn, this has more to do with the implementations than with svgfonts itself. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to do subpixel-rendering on svg elements.<br />
This means it can also do glyps in theory. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.antigrain.com/about/index.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.antigrain.com/about/index.html'>http://www.antigrain.com/about/index.html</a> </p>
<p>It would be interesting to see the woff container with svg fonts in it. It can do the compression which could make svg fonts about the same size as the others. Possibly in favor of svg fonts for some things as a poster has discovered.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamranhansenhansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the other mobile browsers? Do any support Web fonts? We tend to compare iPad to PC&#039;s but it has half the RAM of a Nexus One.
.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the other mobile browsers? Do any support Web fonts? We tend to compare iPad to PC&#8217;s but it has half the RAM of a Nexus One.<br />
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		<title>By: Chris Lilley</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested to know more details on implementations which fail with gzipped SVG fonts.

WOFF is gzipped internally on a table by table basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to know more details on implementations which fail with gzipped SVG fonts.</p>
<p>WOFF is gzipped internally on a table by table basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrick Van Buren</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrick Van Buren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had unstable results with gzipped SVG fonts. So Kernest doesn&#039;t deliver them gzipped - same with WOFFs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had unstable results with gzipped SVG fonts. So Kernest doesn&#8217;t deliver them gzipped &#8211; same with WOFFs.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lilley</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opera does indeed support kerning in SVG fonts. 

Gzipping typically results in a 60-70% file size reduction.

Hinting is good, when type is rendered axis-aligned to the pixel grid and at integer pixel sizes. For rotated, skewed text at arbitrary sizes and orientations hinting can&#039;t help. We considered adding hinting to SVG fonts but could not figure out a way to do it that would work in all cases.

Hinting is also (at least, TrueType hinting) considered a program, and thus has different IPR than the glyph outlines in some jurisdictions.

By the way, SVG fonts are common on mobile devices such as phones. They are not specific to Mobile Safari or to iPad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opera does indeed support kerning in SVG fonts. </p>
<p>Gzipping typically results in a 60-70% file size reduction.</p>
<p>Hinting is good, when type is rendered axis-aligned to the pixel grid and at integer pixel sizes. For rotated, skewed text at arbitrary sizes and orientations hinting can&#8217;t help. We considered adding hinting to SVG fonts but could not figure out a way to do it that would work in all cases.</p>
<p>Hinting is also (at least, TrueType hinting) considered a program, and thus has different IPR than the glyph outlines in some jurisdictions.</p>
<p>By the way, SVG fonts are common on mobile devices such as phones. They are not specific to Mobile Safari or to iPad.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Wilson</title>
		<link>http://opentype.info/blog/2010/04/13/the-ipad-and-svg-fonts-in-mobile-safari/comment-page-1/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SVG fonts are really just for things like logos where you wouldn&#039;t want sub-pixel rendering and hinting for, yet still be able to select it as text. AFAIK there&#039;s no plans to support either, and it&#039;d be a shame if they did as this particular use case would die before browsers (except Opera) ever got a chance to show it off. The iPad and iPhone might as well not have webfonts support at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SVG fonts are really just for things like logos where you wouldn&#8217;t want sub-pixel rendering and hinting for, yet still be able to select it as text. AFAIK there&#8217;s no plans to support either, and it&#8217;d be a shame if they did as this particular use case would die before browsers (except Opera) ever got a chance to show it off. The iPad and iPhone might as well not have webfonts support at all.</p>
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